tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC July 25, 2017 7:00pm-8:00pm PDT
that does it for us tonight. we will see you again tomorrow. i want to tell you, though, that we just are checking in on that vote that was happening in the united states senate. the republican's first effort tonight to try to repeal the affordable care act. they needed 60 votes. they dpt gidn't get anywhere ne it. they got 43 votes i think in the first effort they took. they didn't get close. they are expecting at least a couple more tries at trying to repeal the affordable care act by tomorrow. one of those may not have a 60-vote threshold. it may have a 50-vote threshold. that may be the best chance they have yet to repeal the affordable care act for millions of mamericans. good evening, lawrence. >> good evening. first of all, congratulations, double congratulations on your two, count them, two, emmy
nominations today. >> congratulations on your emmy nomination, lawrence. >> one little one. two, and two at 8 wi:00. great night -- >> it embarrasses me to talk about that stuff. you are much bet are. >> john mccain is now this, i don't know, this mysterious figure. he gave a speech this afternoon that indicated he couldn't vote for anything that mitch mcconnell would bring to the floor. but tonight he did vote with mcconnell but you could argue that it was only a procedural vote, that it wasn't technically on the substance. but what he meant personally about how he is going to conduct himself in the health care votes is not as clear as it sounded this afternoon. >> no. i think that's the right way it put it. i think that speech sort of stood alone. i'm not sure that it was even a predictor of his own behavior, let alone of any other republican senator's behavior.
the vote they took a few moments ago, the vote they took tonight, 60-vote threshold on that. they knew they wouldn't get anywhere near 60 votes. that was a free spin as to who voted on it. senator mccain voted yes, voted with mitch mcconnell on that. that is not what it sounded like he was going to do when he gave that moving speech today. so i don't know what we do with that. >> this was a vote to basically override the budget rules on the senate floor to allow them to have proceed a vote on this bill that is the mcconnell bill plus the cruz edig to tedition to th mcconnell deal and the port addition to that. there is the most generous concepts advanced by the republicans. and they lost ten republicans on this vote. >> yeah, and even with the generous provisions, kind of
like, i don't know, like being the smartest cable news host. i don't know. not a really tough competition. and it's, even with that, they aren't willing to hold any public hearings to have any public real discussion. they've had fake senate debate time for it. but had no actual debate or discussion on the merits. it'll be interesting to me to see if the democrats are able to get anywhere with this plan they have to put dozens or hundreds of amendments up for consideration. given the fact that mcconnell said that he might allow that. >> well, i have someone i will ask about that. senator al franken. we will find out from him what's going on on the democratic strategy on the senate floor on health care, and he's in the thick of the sessions controversy in the senate so we will cover a lot of ground with that. >> excellent. >> thank you to the smartest cable news host. now that you mention that. thanks, rachel. >> stop it. thank, lawrence. stop it. >> i love doing that. that's my favorite thing. rachel, keep the camera, don't
cut away. >> bye, i have to go. see you. >> thanks, rachel. so, will the president fire the attorney general? will the attorney general quit? attorney general who al franken says may have committed perjury in his confirmation hearing? will the democrat come up with the strategy to stop the republican health care bill on the sevenate bill in al franken is here to discuss all of that. >>enate bill in al franken is here to discuss all of that. >>nate bill in al franken is here to discuss all of that. >> kill the bill! kill the bill! >> sergeant at arms, can we restore on the floor? >> they didn't know what they were voting for. >> i want it thato thank senato mccain. brave man. he made a tough trip to get here and vote. >> a tough bill we know that. >> it is crazy. ridiculous. awful. >> i voted for the motion to proceed. i will not vote for this bill as it is today.
>> you have to weave a very, very narrow path, like a quarter of an inch wide. >> it is a very tiny little road. about two feet wide. >> it is a very, very complex and difficult task. >> it is going to be so easy. >> but it something i actually know quite a bit about. nobody knew that health care could be so complicated. >> we will not fail. we can not fail. >> president trump obviously knows nothing about history and he knows less than nothing about the history of the senate or legislative history. from that deep, deep well of sheer ignorance, after the vote in the senate this afternoon to proceed to debate, on health care bill, the president said this. >> extremely happy that we got this vote. this is -- they say, if you look
historically, this is the tough vote to get. now we're all going to sit together and we're going to try and come up with something that's really spectacular. we have a lot of options. and a lot of great options. we ended up with 51 votes. 51 to whatever. i don't know what it is. >> 51-50. vice president mike pence cast the tie-breaking vote as vice president is allowed to do aep 5aep and 50-50 ties in the senate. the president is wrong when he says this is the toughest vote to get. if you look historically and i mean recently historically, this vote didn't used to exist. the senate used to automatically proceed to debate on bills. this used to be the easiest vote in the senate. almost invisible vote. it was hidden in the unnoticed language that majority leader would say before proceeding it a bill that would be a request for unanimous consent that would proceed to debate on a bill and the senate gave unanimous
consent. and unanimous consent to the bill. no one was afraid of debating bills. that is technically a vote, but it happened to fast that no one even noticed it. senator john mccain was in the senate in 1994 when hillary clinton's extremely controversial health security act was debated on the senate floor and john mccain, like every other republican senator, gave his unanimous consent to the motion to proceed to debate on that bill. knowing that they were all opposed to the actual bill. it was a motion that no one in the senate even noticed had occurred. it was mitch mcconnell who created today's dramatic moment in the senate. which led to john mccain's most dramatic vote of his career on health care. mitch mcconnell became the minority leader and he introduced the tactic of refusing to give unanimous consent to proceed to debate on
bills. used to be, as i said, deponent of bills gave their unanimous consent to debate on a bill and principle that all needed at least a bait and they would vote against it. mitch mcconnell ended all of that. and today after voting to proceed to the bill, senator john mccain harkened back to those days before mitch mcconnell became the republican leader of the senate. >> let's return to regular order. we've been spinning our wheels on too many important issues because we keep trying to find a way to win without help from across the aisle. we're getting nothing done, my friends. we're getting nothing done. >> regular order means a bill is introduced in the senate, parliamentarian refers that bill to the committee with jurisdiction over it, which in this case of health care would be the senate finance committee. that committee holds hearings on the legislation which usually
takes at least a few months. then the committee has what they call a mark-up of the bill in which all of the members of the committee both parties are allowed to offer amendments and get votes on those amendments to the bill. and then that bill, final version of it, is voted out of the committee and then brought to the senate floor and then the majority leader calls for debate on the senate floor of the bill that came out of the committee and oont he n the senate floor, everyone gives their unanimous consent to debate the bill and it is debated on the senate floor and amended on the senate floor and there is a final bill on the senate floor. that is what regular order is. and what i just described usually takes about nine months. least on a complex health care legislation like this. that is what senators mean when they say regular order. when john mccain said last week it was time to return to regular order on health care legislation, that seemed to me would he vote against the bill
that mitch mcconnell was dictate together senate from the top down. last week senator mccain said congress must now return to regular order holds hearings receive input from members about parties and heed reblg mcommends of our nation's governors so we can have produce a bill that finally provides americans with aks to quality and aforable health care. what he said to mccain might be premature. >> i want to thank senator john mccain. very brave man. he made a tough trip to get here and vote. so we want to thanks senator mccain and all of the republicans. >> senator mccain voting to proceed to the debate today does not mean that he will vote for whatever is that final bill that mitch mcconnell really does try to pass. on the senate floor. john mccain made it very clear,
that he might not vote for some of these bills. tonight, he voted for a procedural vote to advance -- to advance one of these bills. but it is not clear what else he might vote for. >> i voted for the motion to proceed to allow the debate it continue and amendment to the offer. i will not vote for this bill as it is today. it is a smell hell of a bill ri now. we all ne that. >> today senator mccain publicly bet that republicans would end up passing nothing in the senate. >> if this process ends in failure, which seems likely, then let's return to regular order. let the health education labor and pensions committee under chairman alexander and ranking member murray hold hearings. a bill out of committee with contributions from both sides. [ applause ] .
>> senator mccain voted to proceed it a debate that he expects to fail. that he expects will lead to no bill. in the senate. expects to be defeated. and senator mccain laid down principles that in effect demand that he vote against what mitch mcconnell is trying to do. if john mccain is going to live by the principles that he advocated today, on the senate floor. to return to regular order. senator mccain received a standing ovation when he arrived on the senate floor today after announcing last week he has been diagnosed with brain cancer. if john mccain joins republican opponents of the bill, susan collins, lisa murkowski and others, then the trump, ryan mcconnell health care attempt to repeal the affordable care act will be defeated on the senate floor. and mitch mcconnell will then give up on health care mejs lags and put the senate in recess. mitch mcconnell might already
know tonight that he does not have the votes to pass any form of health care legislation on the senate and he simply needs to go through these motions publicly. in order to justify sending the senate into recess and once the senate is in recess, the president of the united states might then repeal and replace attorney general jeff sessions with the recess appointment of a new attorney general who would be allowed to serve without being confirmed by the senate for the rest of the year. that would be enough time for a new attorney general to fire special prosecutor bob mueller and end any investigation of the tru trump/russia connections. joining us now, senator in the center of all of this, senator al franken of minnesota, member of the senate judiciary committee. thank you for joining us on this very busy night. give us the state of play on the senate floor now. we sought nine defectiones from mitch mcconnell on the first vote. >> yeah.
this was a bill or vote on -- i mean, basically a vote to go to this bill that has the cruz amendment, which would allow insuran insurance to put out junk plans. i'm sure some of the defections were about that. it also score had to lose about 22 million people that would lose their health care. people with preexisting conditions because of the cruz amendment especially. but also because of the waiver estates can give to insurance companies. people with preexisting conditions lose their protection. this is just one of the many terrible republican bills that we've seen. they've had seven years to come up with something to repeal and replace this. they have not been able to come up with anything that isn't just terrible. the latest polls have been 17%
approval rate awning theing on bill. >> let's listen to something else that senator john mccain said on the he is not flight flo senate floor today. >> tried to do this by coming up with a proposal behind closed doors answe doorses and cons you will tag with administration and springing it on skeptical members trying to convince them that it is better than nothing. that it is better than nothing? asking us to swallow our doubts and force it passed a unified opposition? i don't think that will work in the end and probably shouldn't. >> and after that, some people are struggling tonight to make sense of john mccain's vote with mitch mcconnell. but technically it was a procedural vote to then go to the issue and i suppose it's conceivable, john mccain would have voted against the actual bill once you got to that vote. but he certainly is confusing people.
>> well, yeah. i think someone giving that speech would have normally voted against this and gone to regular order. gone to the health committee and done this through regular order. the main thing is we can't -- we have to do everything to make sure that mitch mcconnell is not successful and we need your audience to make their voices heard. make your voices heard. everybody listening or watching this show, please, please do everything you can to make your voices heard. >> senator, to talk to us about what difference that has made so far in this process. i saw you were out in front of the capitol today speaking to a crowd out there and you were using that phrase regular order that john mccain had used on the senate floor. but tell us what it has meant to you as senators and what you can feel in the chamber from the input from voters out there who had been going to town halls and gathering, including, by the
way, this protest in senate chamber today p. the likes of which i have never seen mitch mcconnell trying to bring this to a vote and getting shouted down by people in the gallery. >> well, i think it makes a very big difference when senators believe that they will lose the next election. if they vote for this. and we need one more defection, including licea murkowski and susan collins.scea murkowski an susan collins.ea murkowski and susan collins.a murkowski and susan collins. to defeat whatever comes this way. and it's just so important. there's a number of senators who are hearing these messages loud and clear. >> is anyone talking to senator mccain about what he meant today. and what they are doing on the rest of the votes coming up. >> today we were sort of -- just signalling our respect and love
for him. i think tomorrow i will may be asking tougher questions. >> obviously at crossroads with the president and attorney general unlike anything we have ever seen before. what did democrats want in this? do democrats who voted against jeff sessions confirmation want him to resign? is jeff sessions now the attorney general that democrats want given the possible alternatives? well, i voted against jeff sessions and as a lot of viewers know, i wasn't happy with some of the answers he gave to my questions, including one that, where he -- his answers untruthful. senator grassley, chairman on the committee. and all of the democrats on the committee want him to come and testify before us. and he is the head of the justice department or the judiciary committee oversight.
he should come back and explain himself. but this idea of the president, firing him so that he can appoint, do recess appointment of an attorney general who can then fire mueller, that's a constitutional crisis. that would create a constitutional crisis. >> what do you think the republican senate reaction would be to that? >> i hope that it would be outrage and i would hope that congress would rise to the moment. and do a new special counsel or special prosecutor law and reappoint bob mueller to head that. >> what do you expect -- when is the next time you expect the judiciary committee to hear from jeff sessions? is he refusing to testify to the committee that has jurisdiction over his department? >> i don't know the answer it that. i did talk to chairman grassley today. and we agreed that we want him
to appear before us. i didn't get into the timing or request. >> it seems like some republican senators have stepped forward in what sounds like defense of jeff sessions and kind of indirectly some of the more directly warning the president that he should not fire jeff sessions. do you expect if that moment comes more senators, more republican senators to stand with jeff sessions than the president? >> i did hear in judiciary committee today, a couple of members, republican members, express their support for the attorney general and it sounded like warnings to the president. that's why i believe that if he does this, it will be a constitutional crisis and that republicans will rise to the occasion. at least i certainly hope so. >> senator al franken, thank you very much for joining us on this
important night. i really appreciate it. >> you're very welcome, lawrence. >> thanks. coming up, times reporter asked the white house why the president is berating jeff sessions publicly. and the response was, quote, because he can. that's next. and what congressional investigators want to here from paul manafort and jared kushner. i see you've planted an uncertainty tree. chop that thing down. the clarity you seek... lies within the creditwise app from capital one. creditwise helps you protect your credit. and it's completely free for everyone. it's free for everyone? do hawks use the stars to navigate? i don't know. aw, i thought you did. i don't know either. either way it's free for everyone. cool. what's in your wallet? "how to win at business." step one: point decisively with the arm of your glasses. abracadabra. the stage is yours.
president trump is very disappointed in himself for the mistake he made in nominating jeff sessions to be his attorney general. but when he speaks about it publicly, he always forgets to blame himself for choosing jeff sessions. >> i am disappointed in the attorney general. he should not have recused himself. almost immediately after he took office. and if he was going to recuse himself, he should have told me prior to taking office. and i would have quite simply picked somebody else. so i think that's a bad thing not for the president but a presidency. i think it's unfair to the presidency and that's the way i feel. very disappointed with the attorney general but we will see what happens. time will tell. time will tell. >> the presidency? okay. in an interview today donald trump forgot to express any
gratitude to jeff sessions for being the first senator to encandidate donald trump. quote, he was a senator from alabama. i won the state for a lot. of course endorsed before he won the state. a lot of the states i won by massive numbers. but he was a senator he probably looks at w40,000 people and thought what do i have to lose. he endorsed me tp so it is not a great loyal thing about the endorsement. t"the washington post," in a recent conversation, joed jody told reasons reasons reince priebus that he has no plan to step down. he has no plans for resigning. according to one person familiar with the exchange, priebus for his part did not say trump planned to fire sessions p if he did not leave.
eugene robinson, the president could have asked jeff sessions if he was going to recuse himself before he nominated him. >> dwryeah, he could have. yes. i don't know. >> but then he would have to blame himself. he would have it blame himself then. >> how would jeff sessions know that all of the events would happen in between his being named and his recusal that would help submit his decision to recuse himself. would he have to have been able to see the future. but look, this was in a spectacle today. all day.
starting with statements on twitter, appearance in front of the cameras, and interview with the wall street journal. he totally just dised jeff sessions who has been arguably his most loyal soldier. certainly the first senator to endorse him. i would say, perhaps his most effective cabinet member. i don't like the stuff he is doing but he is out there doing it and filling donald trump's agenda and this is the thanks he gets. >> i want the attorney general to be much tougher on the leaks from intelligence agencies. which are looking like rarely have they ever leaked before at a very important level. these are intelligence agencies.
we cannot have that happen. you know many of my views in addition to that, but i think that's one of the very important things they have to get on with. >> full context there, standing beside him was the prime minister of lebanon. and this was presumably televised in lebanon where they now know that president united states, his biggest problem in life now is his own attorney general. >> yeah, look, i mean, there's a lot of talk about how mean trump was to sessions. i could care less if he is mean it jeff sessions. jeff sessions didn't recuse because he is a nice guy. he is not a nice guy. he recused because there is a federal statute, title 28, section 528 will, that requires the justice department to have rules that recuse officers who have a political conflict or an apparent political conflict. that's why jeff sessions did it. donald trump is out there saying this stuff, he is criticizing jeff sessions for simply obeying the law. and he is trying to get him out sew can get in an attorney general who will thwart this
russian investigation and obstruct justice. this isn't about some personal relationship, this is about reserving the rule of law in our country. >> walk us through this part of it. if jeff sessions did not comply with that law and did not recuse himself, what would have happened? >> well, i mean, someone would have brought an ethical complaint against him. the appropriate offices of the justice department would have reviewed that. but it goes back to your earlier guest in the show, senator franken. franken asked jeff sessions at his confirmation hearing about his meetings with russian officials. sessions denied having any. then had to later go back and say yes i did and had to go back a second time and say oh, yes i did a second time. and it was after that, after "the washington post" broke that story that sessions held a quick news conference and announced he was refusing himself. this is something he had to do. he obeyed the law. he did it. and now trump is mad at him for being lawful attorney general. >> and gene, in most of the discussion now because we're
conducting them at such high speed and so frequently, we are gliding over the point that ron just made that the president's disappointment in jeff sessions is that jeff sessions did not violate the law on recusal. we have a president who publicly wants his attorney general to violate the law on recusal. >> and not only that. the president also complains that jeff sessions did not launch a political motivated investigation of donald trump's opponent in the election. hillary clinton. and why isn't he doing that? and he is very weak on the leaks and weak on hillary clinton. and it's just, you know, extraordinary, the phrase rule of law, means absolutely nothing to donald trump. rod is right. he wants it get rid of sessions because he doesn't think he will good along with any plan it fire mueller and he wants it get rid of mueller because he wants to
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in the russia investigation, a subpoena to force former campaign manager paul manafort to testify in public tomorrow before the senate judiciary committee has been withdrawn. tonight committee chairman grassley and ranking member feinstein issued this statement. faced with issuance of a subpoena, we are happy that mr. manafort started producing
documents to the committee and we have agreed to continue negotiating transcribed and will -- panna for the was in a closed-door session. and discussing the june 2016 meeting with donald trump jr., jared kushner and several russians including a russian lawyer linked to the kremlin. he also turned over his notes from that meeting. and donald trump's son-in-law and senior adviser jared kushner came to capitol hill again to answer questions under oath from the house intelligence committee and some of the members about that same june 2016 meeting. >> i found him to be straight forward, forthcoming. i wanted to answer every
question we had. >> he was receptive to coming wack it answer further questions but it was a very productive session. >> today the house voted 419-3 for new sanctions to punish russia for meddling in the 2016 election. the bill prohibits president trump from removing any of the penalties without congressional approval. it'll now go to the senate where it is expected to pass. joining us now, betsy wood rough, ron plain pack wiback wi. ron, what do you make of this exchange tonight where subpoenas from your old committee, judiciary committee, manafort gets subpoenas and starts complying by producing documents at least at this stage? >> lawrence, something we see on capitol hill through the years. you saw it when you worked up there. a frustrating process. i think to the public because it is slow. and people want to see paul manafort. see him in public answering these questions. but i think the committee is taking it step by step.
first is to get information and questions answered privately and i hope the committee will stay on them and make a legally bind demand for his documents, his e-mails too and hopefully have him testify in public. >> let's see what joaquinn castro said about jared kushner's testimony today. >> two things were clear to me. first that the president puts a lot of trust in jared kushner. perhaps more than anyone else in his immediate family. and also that jared kushner very much wants to protect the president. >> betsy woodruff, we knew that. but for that to be the impression of a member of congress who was in that house hearing, meeting with jared kushner today, seems to indicate that this democratic member of the committee anyway, is seeing someone bwho is there to protec in his testimony more than reveal possibly. >> i think what's important
about understanding cukushner's interaction with congress is that he has the best legal team of anyone involved in the russia situation. it is not surprising that the comments he made to this committee seem informed by some sort of understanding of what direction this investigation could move in. i've been speaking with a number of folks in the d.c. legal community about the different attorneys that these folks have brought on to represent them as they are dealing with the russia investigation. the man you see next to jared kushner and all this footage and the photos is abbey lowell, a long time d.c. insider lawyer. he knows what he is doing. he is very familiar with the way that these investigations can go down. before working with abbey loyal, jared kushner was working with formerly the number two person at the justice department. she helped him navigate i believe and is still helping him naf date security clearance question and based on speaking about former federal prosecutors and other d.c. attorneys kushner as far as bang for buck has the
best legal team even compared to donald trump himself and especially compared to donald trump jr. who made some unusual choi s f choices for his legal rep zenization and may be reflected with his testimony on the hill today. >> and abbey loyal, most experience of any of them involved on the trump family side of it. he could pretty well i imagine estimate just about every question that committee members would ask jared kushner based on abbey lowell's own understanding of what the committee already knew. that's a tremendous advantage going into the discussions. >> it is. betsy is right. trump -- kushner has a great legal team but all of the king's horses and all the king's men. i think the question is, has been set on this program time and again, old washington chestnut, not the crime, the cover-up, needs to be turned inside out here. at some point we have to get to what actually happened. all of these people are working
hard it keep us from finding out what happened, there must be something very bad that happened. i don't think great lawyering or great preparation is covering you the fact that something happened. donald trump wouldn't be out there talking about firing sessions or mueller if there wasn't something to hide. >> senator ron wyden won't remain content with kushner meeting with committees behind closed doors. let's listen to what he had to say today. >> with respect to mr. kushner, i can tell you, it's hard to give him the benefit of the doubt. i'm going to insist that he have to respond to those questions in public before the senate select committee on intelligence. the public has a right to see mr. kushner in front of the committee answering questions from democrats and republicans. >> and betsy, there is a big difference between the version of having the doors closed today and yesterday and doing it in
public with the country watching. >> exactly. and widen of all people knows that. he is the master of a asking questions in these committee hearings that gets his witnesses to sort of drop easter eggs, drop hints to the general public about what more information they might know. of course, as an important democrat on the intel committee, he's been able to do this with actual members of the intelligence community, getting senior intel officials to refer to dynamics particularly in terms of surveillance policy. in ways that have tipped reporters off to information that otherwise would be held back because of classification rules. perhaps more than anyone, widen has the gift for getting people in interviews before the senate intel committee to say more than they intended to say so it is not a surprise at all that he is excited to get a chance to drill jared kushner on whatever kushner might know about the way that this investigation is played out. and perhaps more than anyone he will have good questions to ask. >> we will have to leave it there for tonight.
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the least presidential person in the history of the word presidential said this tonight. with the exception of the late, great, abraham lincoln, i can be more presidential than any president that's ever held this office. that i can tell you. it's really easy. >> joining us now former republican congressman david jolly. david, i'm trying to think how many presidents did he forget when he was. >> lawrence this is the humor segment, right. >> something over 40. well it hasn't been a funny week in watching the indignity of this presidency and what the "washington post" was pushed to with the this is not obamacare editorial. which is an editorial that papers like the "washington post" have to do on a monthly basis at least. the before or to prevent people from getting accustomed to all of this. >> right, look, i think the
anxiety many of us feel including a lot of republicans who should be speaking up louder railroadeding the president he is narcissism and lack of accountability. if you think you are always right and you grew up thinking there are no consequence to your decision then you're necessarily incapable of making critical decisions, of listening to subject matter experts. lawrence, look, you understand history. could you picture this president in a matter of national crisis delivering fdr's day of infamiliary speem or kennedy's cuban missile speech for lbj satisfying i'm speak speaking to the dignity and destineny of democracy. this president speaks to to his eating o and family interest interest and business interests. that's the anxiety we feel. that's why more republican need to be to begin to be critical of the president's false motivations. >> david we saw nine republicans defect from mitch mcconnell on the first round.
>> that's right. >> of what will be voting on this health care bill. what do you expect to see from this point on? >> well, it says the bcra was dead to begin with. i think mccain's vote rightfully should be questioned. he gave a honorable speechl we are not subordinates we are equals but he voted for the same bill he wanted he wouldn't support. in some way look motions to proceed whether you like republicans or not, the senate should work and govern. we'll see what comes out of it. i don't know they can get to 50 votes or 51 votes on a final bill and conference it with the house. >> and what about that the? i mean if they pass something in the senate isn't in one of the situations where the house has nothing to say? they're just going to have to take that up and pass it or there will be no bill? >> which will, so some -- some house colleagues toll me they're going to adjourn in august with with the 72 hour rule with the call of the chair and actually prepare paul ryan said to conference o conference this bill.
they're threading the needle the president said. whether they can do it i don't know how you keep the moderates and freedom caucus and conservatives. it's the reason the bcra didn't work that was his best effort. you're going to having to back to some committee and have open order. the bill while it may pass is historically unpopular. and frankly republicans could lose the house in 18 if they jam it. >> you what is the republican feeling now about what this would do to enemy in the house politicly if they pass something sno i've seen a lot of situations where in the congress where they are trying -- quote trying to pass the bill where maybe most of the party that's trying to pass the bill is hoping it doesn't pass because they think it hurts them in the election. >> sure, vote no hope yet. vote yes hope no. >> you have a superred zrikt where trooul families were disrupted with obamacare with rising premiums and so forth that'ses constituents you're listening to but republicanings
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i want to thank senator john mccain, very brave man. he made a tough trip to get here and vote. so we want to thank senator mccain and all of the republicans. >> that was the president today. and here was the very first thing that candidate donald trump had to say about senator john mccain. >> i supported him for president. i raise add million dollars for him. it's a lot of money. i supported him he lost. let us down. but you know he lost i never liked him as much after that because he i don't like losers but frank let me get you he is not a war hero. >>s he is a war hero. >> he is he is a war hero because he was captured. i like people that weren't captured i hate it tell you. >> he was a where hero because he was captured. >> i want to thank senator john
mcmahon. very brave man that's what the president said today. not one word, not one word donald trump stays has any meaning at all. ever. that's tonight's last word. the 11th hour with brian williams starts now. tonight another one of those things we've never seen before as a sitting american president stepped up his public crimson of his own attorney general, who may get pushed out but isn't leaving on his own, plus trump's son-in-law jared kushner answers more questions on russia behind closed doors with house intel committee members. tonight one member of that committee is here with us. and john mccain returns to the senate following his brain cancer diagnose delivering a message to trump, his colleagues and the country. "the 11th hour" gets under way now. well good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. day